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Bruce Jenner Is Now Caitlyn Jenner

Caitlyn Jenner

Bruce Jenner, the former Olympian who came out as transgendered in an April interview with Diane Sawyer, is now Caitlyn Jenner and she’s on the cover of July’s Vanity Fair:

Caitlyn Jenner made her public debut on Monday on the cover of Vanity Fair.

A photograph of Ms. Jenner, shot byAnnie Leibovitz, accompanied an article on her transition to a woman after long identifying as a man named Bruce. It immediately became a sensation on social media when the magazine posted the article online.

Ms. Jenner, who won an Olympic gold medal in the decathlon, has had a long public life — as Bruce Jenner, she had been on the cover of Playgirl, an author, an actor and most recently a part of the Kardashian family’s reality television empire. Earlier this year, reports emerged that she was undergoing gender reassignment surgery.

In April, Ms. Jenner spoke to Diane Sawyer about the transition, but did not reveal her new name.

The Vanity Fair article was written by Buzz Bissinger, a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter and the author of the book “Friday Night Lights,” about a high school football team in Texas.

“Bruce always had to tell a lie. He was always living that lie. Every day, he always had a secret,” Ms. Jenner said in a video posted to YouTube by Vanity Fair. “Caitlyn doesn’t have any secrets.”

Ms. Jenner had started to transition in the 1980s, the article reveals, shortly after winning the gold medal at the Montreal Olympics in 1976. Even as she traveled the United States, making speeches and starring in commercials, she wore pantyhose and a bra underneath her suit. She stopped, fearful of the public reaction, but began again recently when her marriage to Kris Jenner, the matriarch of the Kardashians, ended.

“If I was lying on my deathbed and I had kept this secret and never did anything about it, I would be lying there saying ‘You just blew your entire life,'” she told Mr. Bissinger. Bruce Jenner was always lying, she said. Caitlyn can be honest.

Mr. Bissinger, who describes himself as “a cross-dresser with a big-time fetish for women’s leather,” wrote that he had spent hundreds of hours with Ms. Jenner over three months, and that it was an occasionally surreal experience.

In May, the article says, Ms. Jenner began shooting a new reality series for the E! network.

The series, E! said in a statement, will cover Ms. Jenner’s “life as a transgender woman.”

Jenner tweeted the full cover photo on a new Twitter account:

And Vanity Fair has released a video of the photoshoot:

I will admit that this is something that I don’t quite understand on some level. Perhaps that’s because this whole idea of not believing yourself to really be the gender you were born with is something that you can really only understand if you’ve lived through it yourself. Additionally, the manner in which this whole thing is being rolled out in the media — from the interview, to this cover shoot, and then the upcoming television show — leads one to the conclusion that at least some part of this is all part of the same “Reality TV” empire that the Kardashian family has created over the years. On some level, I have to wonder how healthy it really is for someone going through this process to expose that process and all of the emotions it must undoubtedly raise both for the person involved and those close to them. At the same time, though, if this is what makes Jenner happy, for lack of a better word, then it’s a good thing that she is living the life she apparently always felt was denied her. Ideally, something like this would lead to a discussion about these issues in the public, but given the way the media treats these celebrity issues, it’s more likely just going to be sensationalized. That’s unfortunate.

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  1. OzarkHillbilly says:

    Additionally, the manner in which this whole thing is being rolled out in the media — from the interview, to this cover shoot, and then the upcoming television show —
    ….
    it’s more likely just going to be sensationalized.

    Ya think? Outside of that, I have no opinion.

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  2. C. Clavin says:

    A perfect 10.
    Oh…wait….that was the Decathlon.
    Never mind.

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  3. Pinky says:

    He can change his name to whatever he wants, and he can get all the surgery he wants to, but he’s a male. He has no right to make us pretend otherwise. Like the quote that’s used too often online, he’s not entitled to his own facts. I’m reminded of the observation about communism, that the Soviet media used to make statements that were absurd on their face, because it’s more degrading to a populace to have to repeat blatant untruths. The difference between men and women is basic stuff, and some of the most important stuff in the world to us. It’s a demonstration of political muscle to pressure people into repeating the lie that a man can become a woman.

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  4. MBunge says:

    @Pinky: It’s a demonstration of political muscle to pressure people into repeating the lie that a man can become a woman.

    According to the almighty Wiki, the first sex-change was done in 1930 and the first that really entered the public consciousness was in 1952.

    It’s weird when people react to this like it’s something new and bizarre they’ve never heard of before when it’s been a fact for all or most of their lives.

    Mike

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  5. C. Clavin says:

    Pinky, Pinky, Pinky…..

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  6. Rafer Janders says:

    Good for her!

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  7. Rafer Janders says:

    @Pinky:

    What a small, sad, closed-off little world you live in.

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  8. CB says:

    @Pinky:

    I can’t speak from authority, but I thought brain science was at a point where we’ve determined that gender misalignment is a real thing, and not the result of “political muscle to pressure people.”

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  9. Scott says:

    The difference between men and women is basic stuff

    If only it were that simple. Most people are born with XX and XY genes. However, there are some born with extra X or extra Y which changes their development. In addition, we don’t fully understand how fetal development progresses, how those genes express themselves, and how the expression of those genes affect the ultimate human being that is born.

    We do know that there is not a lot of choice in how this happens. We should also know that if we respect the dignity of all human beings, then we should opt for understanding and compassion first.

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  10. Neil Hudelson says:

    @CB:

    You are correct. Gender misalignment/dysphoria/whatever you want to call it has been studied for quite a few decades, but the move away from thinking of it as an illness towards thinking of gender as a spectrum has gained most of its momentum in the last decade. Here’s a good journal to start with. Anecdotally, I would say the public discussion has really only started in the last 3 to 5 years.

    As you can see by some comments, a large portion of the population has missed out on that conversation/willfully ignored it.

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  11. Another Mike says:

    @Rafer Janders:

    What a small, sad, closed-off little world you live in.

    Boxed in by reality, I would say.

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  12. James Pearce says:

    @Pinky:

    “He has no right to make us pretend otherwise.”

    I don’t know, Pinky. Jenner has no right to get mad if someone uses the wrong pronouns or doesn’t “get it,” but surely she has a right to wear whatever clothes she wants and to call herself Caitlyn, doesn’t she?

    (You’ll note I’m using the feminine pronouns. It’s not because it’s “true,” but because it’s respectful.)

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  13. Gustopher says:

    @Pinky:

    It’s a demonstration of political muscle to pressure people into repeating the lie that a man can become a woman.

    Yes, because the transgender community has so much political muscle.

    Anyway, good for Caitlyn, I hope this transition brings her some peace. No one goes through something like this because it is the easiest option, and even if I cannot understand it (and even if it makes me a little uncomfortable), I can have a lot of empathy and respect for someone who goes through this.

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  14. CB says:

    @Neil Hudelson:

    Thanks for the material. Quick read, and interesting.

    @Gustopher:

    Well put, I was going to say much the same regarding my own personal discomfort. Bare minimum, I try to understand where the other person is coming from, and to understand where my own base discomfort comes from. It’s more or less DBAA, and I can never understand why so many people have trouble keeping to its tenets.

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  15. stonetools says:

    Have to admit that I find the whole transexual thing creepy-and I’m someone with a close family member who is gay and another who is dating a transexual! But what I am rock solid on is that they are human beings who deserve the same dignity, respect, and rights as any other human being.
    Good luck with Ms. Jenner on his journey.

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  16. Guarneri says:

    Show of hands. How many of you guys would do “Caitlyn?” How many would give her a foot massage?

    Let’s have the strength of conviction, now.

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  17. CB says:

    @Guarneri:

    Stay classy.

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  18. gVOR08 says:

    Sex is complicated. The greatly missed Molly Ivans had a thing IIRC that sex isn’t really a 1 or 0 thing. It’s 0 to 10. Many people are 0s or 10s, but some people are 3s or 7s or even 5s. Apparently on top of that, some people with 0 bodies are psychologically 8s or 9s.

    I confess I find the whole idea confusing and kinda icky, but if things were illegal because I think they’re icky, W. Bush, and a lot of other people, including some on these threads, would be in jail.

    The only thing in this whole situation that I think I’m sure of is that Annie Leibovitz is one heck of a photographer.

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  19. Pinky says:

    @Scott: Trepanation is even older than the 1930’s, and in some cases it’s necessary to relieve pressure on the brain. For the most part, though, it’s unbalanced people having doctors drill a hole in their heads. What will they think of our generation in a few hundred years? That we became so overwhelmed by sex that we mutilated ourselves and pretended it was normal.

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  20. Monala says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: About a decade ago, the Boston Globe did a series where they followed an area doctor going through a M-to-F transition. It was informative and very sensitively done, so such reporting is possible. Of course, the doctor wasn’t a celebrity.

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  21. C. Clavin says:

    @Pinky:
    I really don’t think this is about sex.

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  22. C. Clavin says:

    @Guarneri:
    Please explain to the group exactly what bearing you think that has on anything.

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  23. Scott says:

    @Pinky: In about 30-40 years we will be able to control our own evolution. In a few hundred years, the ability to have a near infinite variation of humans will make sex reassignment surgery be considered quaint.

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  24. Pinky says:

    @C. Clavin: Not sexual intercourse, but sex.

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  25. C. Clavin says:

    @Pinky:
    Gender

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  26. Pinky says:

    @C. Clavin: Sex. That’s my point.

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  27. Tyrell says:

    We remember with awe and appreciation the great achievements of Bruce Jenner: a man whose very name is synonymous with excellent athleticism, sportsmanship, and sacrifice. His achievements have inspired countless young people on the athletic fields. He restored a lot of pride in this country. Somewhere in an old crate I still have the Wheaties boxes with his picture, holding the US flag high. Maybe Wheaties will it back some sort of honorary edition.
    We wish Jenner well in whatever he does.

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  28. C. Clavin says:

    @Pinky:
    It’s a lot more complex than biological sex.

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  29. Pinky says:

    @James Pearce:

    I don’t know, Pinky. Jenner has no right to get mad if someone uses the wrong pronouns or doesn’t “get it,” but surely she has a right to wear whatever clothes she wants and to call herself Caitlyn, doesn’t she?

    He definitely has those rights.

    (You’ll note I’m using the feminine pronouns. It’s not because it’s “true,” but because it’s respectful.)

    It’s respectful to not correct the Alzheimer’s patient when talking to him. When he goes out wandering into traffic, though, you stop him.

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  30. michael reynolds says:

    @Pinky:

    We keep trying to correct you, Pinky, but some can be educated and some, sadly, cannot.

    I cannot imagine why any of this threatens you. What do you care? Does it put a dollar in your pocket or take a dollar out? Does it affect the price of gas? What the fwck do you care if he/she/it wants to be referred to as he/she/it?

    Look, I call priests priests even though to me they’re just predatory creeps. I’ll refer to various Brits as queen or lord or grand poobah even though those titles are all nonsense to me. I even tacitly allow huge ass-clowns with heads stuffed full of lies and radical departures from reality to call themselves “conservatives” without laughing in their faces.

    So it’s Ms. Jenner, and she and her and may she have as good a life as the rather more evolved @Tyrell wishes.

    Liberty, Pinky, it extends beyond the right to swagger around with a gun on your hip like an a-hole. Ms. Jenner is a free woman, able to decide for herself how best to live her life.

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  31. Pinky says:

    @michael reynolds: As I just said, he has those rights. Just said, the comment before yours. But I won’t lie and call him a woman, and it’s fair to call out people who do. It doesn’t threaten me, but it’s not good for a society to institutionalize lies.

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  32. James Pearce says:

    @Pinky:

    It’s respectful to not correct the Alzheimer’s patient when talking to him. When he goes out wandering into traffic, though, you stop him.

    That’s someone who doesn’t know any better. I think getting a full sleeve tattoo is rather stupid, but should I stop that person? Allowances should be made for how other people want to live, especially if they’re not hurting anyone.

    I’m like a lot of people on this thread in the sense that I just don’t “get it” when it comes to gender dysphoria. I keep thinking, “Man, I’m glad I don’t have that problem.”

    Because even though I don’t “get it,” I recognize it as a valid problem for someone to have. And I also recognize that the treatment for it is to let them live as they wish, my opinion on the subject be damned.

    And that’s okay.

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  33. Mikey says:

    @Pinky: Does genetically female always have to equal being a woman? What if the two aren’t synonymous?

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  34. SenyorDave says:

    @James Pearce:
    (You’ll note I’m using the feminine pronouns. It’s not because it’s “true,” but because it’s respectful.)

    This. Disregarding Pinky’s deep thoughts ( He has no right to make us pretend otherwise.), its nice to see a simple statement about respect. If I meet a priest, I’ll address him as father out of respect. I’m Jewish myself, bu its what you do (at least what my parents raised me to do). So Pinky, hopefully if you meet a transgender person you’ll do the most respectful you’re capable of, which in your case would be to keep your mouth shut.

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  35. michael reynolds says:

    @Pinky:

    It’s also not good to rationalize rudeness, and that’s what you’re doing.

    Once upon a time conservatives used to believe in manners. I guess that’s gone along with your interest in reality, fairness, common decency, human compassion. . .

    When did you people go from being merely mistaken to being creeps?

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  36. Modulo Myself says:

    I’m friends with someone is F-to-M. He’s had the operations, the hormones, everything. When I met him, I had no idea about his past. To me, he was a short balding guy with a nerdy guy’s sense of humor. He fit right in.

    I’ve seen pictures of him as a kid, when he was a teenage girl, and it’s exactly the opposite. It’s not him. He’s at home being a short balding guy with an attractive wife and guy-like hobbies. It’s no joke wanting to be a different gender. I would say it’s probably much easier to make the change when you are young, and with people who get it, than waiting until you’re Caitlyn’s age.

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  37. Rafer Janders says:

    @Pinky:

    It doesn’t threaten me, but it’s not good for a society to institutionalize lies.

    Says the Republican….

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  38. David M says:

    @Pinky:

    But I won’t lie and call him a woman, and it’s fair to call out people who do. It doesn’t threaten me, but it’s not good for a society to institutionalize lies.

    What is the deal with the GOP and suddenly caring if something is “true”? Have they been asleep since 2002? Ignoring that elephant in the room, no one is asking you to state under oath whether or not Caitlyn is a man or woman (or whether two men can be married). People are simply pointing out that it’s polite to refer to people by the name (or pronoun or nickname or whatever) that they wish to be called.

    It’s no more meaningful than whether I prefer Dave or David.

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  39. wr says:

    @Guarneri: “Show of hands. How many of you guys would do “Caitlyn?” How many would give her a foot massage? Let’s have the strength of conviction, now.”

    Because in this feeble little mind, the only thing that defines a woman is how much some slug on the internet wants to have sex with her.

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  40. rodney dill says:

    Hmmmm…. She doesn’t look Asian

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  41. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Guarneri: If she has all the right parts? And I wasn’t married? I’d do her in a New York hour.

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  42. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @Pinky:

    It’s respectful to not correct the Alzheimer’s patient when talking to him.

    I think I see your problem. And if you had ever had a loved one suffer from Alzheimers, you would too. And stayed miles away from that analogy because it is as ignorant and insulting as can be.

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  43. humanoid.panda says:

    @Guarneri:

    Show of hands. How many of you guys would do “Caitlyn?” How many would give her a foot massage?

    I wouldn’t date Angela Merkel either. Does this mean she is not a woman?

    Alternatively, would reject this woman if she came to you and asked for a foot rub?
    https://www.google.com/search?q=Amelia+Maltepe&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS599US599&es_sm=93&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=uftsVZofgcuwBdPfgJgF&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1440&bih=731

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  44. aFloridian says:

    I’m still not sure how it was decided that being trans isn’t a mental illness. Was it on DSM-5? I’m not clear on the distinction between trans and other abnormal mental behaviors. And like even some of the liberals here, the whole thing fills me with a deep unease. One really interesting area is that of doting, while liberal helicopter parents willing to let their children be “rainbows” which I see as out-and-out child abuse.

    Let me be clear – I’m not advocating hate or rudeness. I will try to treat these people the same as everyone else, but I’m still not sure I buy the normalizing of this just because the media/tv shows are telling me too.

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  45. OzarkHillbilly says:

    @aFloridian:

    I’m still not sure I buy the normalizing of this just because the media/tv shows are telling me too.

    Don’t listen to the media/tv shows, listen to the people who are dealing with this. As somebody upstream said, in what way does this affect you? My discomfort/ignorance/preconceived notions be damned, I have no opinion.

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  46. Gustopher says:

    @aFloridian:

    I’m still not sure how it was decided that being trans isn’t a mental illness.

    There is no cure at a mental level, and gender reassignment surgery (or less invasive transitioning options) have allowed people to live significantly happier and healthier lives.

    If researchers find a way to change someone’s mental state to match their body. I would expect that there would be a lot of debate. So far though, there are no signs of that.

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  47. Gustopher says:

    @michael reynolds:

    What the fwck do you care if he/she/it wants to be referred to as he/she/it?

    I will never refer to another human being as “it”, even if that is their preferred pronoun.

    “It” is reserved for objects. Even dogs and cats are referred to as “he” or “she”, along with boats, and various other entirely genderless objects for which one forms an attachment — like my computer, which is a “he” and my banjos (“he”, “she”, “he”, “he”, “zhe” — the banjola has some issues).

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  48. Pinky says:

    @michael reynolds: You forget that we’ve all seen how your Party of Politeness treats people who disagree with you. You guys tried to turn Rick Santorum’s name into an obscenity, just because he disagreed with you. You’re polite to the extent that someone’s opposing traditional sexual ethics, and rude to the extent that they’re defending it. The common theme there isn’t etiquette; it’s opposition to sexual morality.

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  49. Pinky says:

    @OzarkHillbilly: Wrong.

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  50. michael reynolds says:

    @aFloridian:

    Normal isn’t the question. My wife has obsessive compulsive disorder (under control thanks to Prozac). Neither she nor I consider OCD “normal,” it’s a psychological issue, one requiring medical intervention. But she doesn’t cease to be a “normal” person. Indeed, I don’t think I’ve ever met a person who doesn’t have some kink or weirdness, definitely including myself.

    The problem comes with the vague and therefore kinda useless notion of “normal.” If what we mean by that is a person completely free of psychological problems, well. . . show me that guy. If by “normal” we mean “average” or “typical,” that includes most people with most common psychological issues.

    A human being is like a sound board with all kinds of switches and toggles and sliders. More of this, less of that. None of this thing, too much of that thing. No one is all anything, everyone is a spectrum. 90% straight, 9% gay, 1% thinking that sheep looks real purty. Everyone is fwcked up in his own way, and so long as we don’t take our crazy to the streets and frighten the horses, as the saying goes, it’s no one’s business.

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  51. michael reynolds says:

    @Pinky:

    Rick Santorum is a politician, a public person who has wielded power and hopes to again. Are you really suggesting we apply identical standards of discourse to politicians to retired athletes?

    And this is a serious question: is there no end to your hypocrisy? Let’s start with the word, “Feminazi.”

    Go ahead. Explain.

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  52. Slugger says:

    Gedankenexperiment:
    If you could painlessly and totally reversibly change your gender for three months, would you do it? Just to see what the game looks like from the other side of the net, I mean.
    I am personally somewhat surgery phobic, but some kind of magic pill would have me interested. I have done a parachute jump, and three months as the other side might be real eye opening.

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  53. DrDaveT says:

    I was totally ignorant of this entire issue until a friendly long-term acquaintance of mine became a rather public test case in a difficult milieu. Since then, I like to think I have a much better appreciation for the issues, the underlying psychology, and the long way society still has to go in figuring this stuff out.

    Chromosomes are chromosomes, but sex and gender are very different things. Fortunately, for most of us they align well enough that drastic measures aren’t necessary.

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  54. Pinky says:

    @michael reynolds: You want me to explain that the left has a taste for fascism disguised as social justice, or explain why the left has a taste for fascism disguised as social justice?

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  55. CrustyDem says:

    @Pinky:

    Your example of fascism is a gay sex and advice columnist who equated the name of a politician who equated gay marriage with “man on dog sex” with “the frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex”? Yeah, chilling. Clearly the left is the root of reactionary authoritarian nationalism. You’ve really nailed it…

    Might want to leave the teabag in the tepid water for awhile longer, it’s awfully weak…

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  56. David M says:

    @CrustyDem:

    Pinky is incapable of ever understanding or admitting that Rick Santorum said something offensive with his “man on dog” comments.

    This is not the first time he has tried this and then had his nonsense completely taken apart.

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  57. anjin-san says:

    @Pinky:

    blatant untruths

    You should know all about that, you are pretty much the reigning champion of lying on OTB.

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  58. anjin-san says:

    Not surprising that the conservatives in the building seem to find their fragile masculinity threatened by this.

    Anyway, I wish Jenner well. Different strokes for different folks.

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  59. Tillman says:

    He can change his name to whatever he wants, and he can get all the surgery he wants to, but he’s a male. He has no right to make us pretend otherwise.

    “What makes a man, Mr. Lebowski?”

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  60. Another Mike says:

    @Modulo Myself:

    It’s no joke wanting to be a different gender.

    True, but mental illness never is.

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  61. Mikey says:

    @Pinky:

    You forget that we’ve all seen how your Party of Politeness treats people who disagree with you. You guys tried to turn Rick Santorum’s name into an obscenity, just because he disagreed with you.

    Oh, please. Stop trying to spin what people like Santorum do as mere disagreement. They do far more than just talk–they actively work to limit the equal treatment of people under the law.

    You’re trying to keep the shoe from fitting, but you sized it and now you have to wear it.

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  62. wr says:

    @David M: “Pinky is incapable of ever understanding or admitting that Rick Santorum said something offensive with his “man on dog” comments.”

    Being incapable of ever understanding or admitting that accusing people whose politics are different from his are fascists or wannabe cop killers or any sort of boogeyman is saying something offensive is kind of Pinky’s stock in trade.

    He apparently likes to think of himself as a bold truth-teller, when all he does is express his lazy, tired bigotry and expect that everyone cheer him for it.

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  63. Tillman says:

    Can’t believe I’m the only person in this thread willing to exercise contractual gossip obligations and mention just how eerily alike Caitlyn Jenner and Jessica Lange look.

    Surprised at how many commenters mentioned their ickiness with transexuality, but then remembered the comment base here is somewhat older than me. I’ve known two transitioners in my lifetime: the first one, MtF, was a gigantic asshole in high school, and is now super-mellow. (Gotta say, men really make better women.) The second, FtM, is a good friend of mine who wrestled with neuroses for her entire high school and college life, and is now possibly one of the best men I know. (Have to admit, women really make better men.) Surrounded by such fluid gender typing, I’ve been perplexed by what drives a person to undergo such a painful and costly transformation. I couldn’t even begin to speculate on whether it’s primarily caused by brain chemicals or odd genomes or imposed social structures or some mixture of all of them. With that said, you can’t argue with the results. Whatever gender dysphoria is, it is a real thing.

    Oddly, my main problem with transsexuals is their culture’s imposition on changing names to start fresh, but that’s my particular hangup with changing one’s name in general more than their doing it specifically. Or maybe it’s because I petitioned the FtM to rename himself Clyde and he shot me down. You don’t meet anyone named Clyde nowadays.

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  64. Blue Galangal says:

    @Slugger: Apropos of fluid gender changes, your comment reminded me of Tanith Lee’s novel Don’t Bite The Sun. Technology had advanced to the point that you could redesign and reinvent your body at will, as well as change your gender. It was my first introduction to the idea of gender as a continuum rather than a binary and I still think of it fondly.

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  65. Gustopher says:

    @Tillman:

    Surprised at how many commenters mentioned their ickiness with transexuality, but then remembered the comment base here is somewhat older than me.

    I’m pleasantly surprised that most of those commenters still support transgender rights, and treating people with respect, recognizing that the icky feeling is their own problem. It’s the difference between being transphobic and being a bigot. I acknowledge the former and try not to be the latter.

    Exposure brings comfort — I would probably be more comfortable with transgender folks if I knew more of them.

    I know one, and not well, and he was a nice enough but very boring man who has become a nice enough and very boring woman (and she probably describes me as “nice enough and very boring”). Not someone I spent any real time with before their transition, or after, and seeing them again after a few years it seemed more appropriate to say “huh, that’s a surprise, congratulations” rather than ask prying questions and try to understand them better and treat them like a novelty.

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  66. Tyrell says:

    @Tillman: You brought up a good point about Jessica Lange. There are some people who will have all kinds of surgery to look like a movie star or someone else (Schwarzenegger). There is even one nut who had all kinds of surgery to look like a tiger ! I have serious reservations about this kind of surgery. Under no circumstances should tax money or even insurance be used to pay for these kind of elective surgeries. If someone is adamant about it, let them pay for it out of their own pocket. I remember a few months there was that bizarre situation in which some misguided judge approved one of those sex change operations for a convict in a prison, using tax payers’ money !
    I liked Ms. Lange’s performance in “King Kong”.

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  67. Gromitt Gunn says:

    @Guarneri: Well, since I am a gay guy, I wouldn’t be “doing” Caitlin. And Bruce wasn’t really my type.

    However, I would certainly date a FTM man if I met one that I clicked with. Why the heck not? Because he doesn’t have male genitals? Neither does a man who was born with male parts but subsequently had cancer or an accident or was hit by an IED and lost his as a result. I don’t think anyone would argue that a man in that situation was no longer a man.

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  68. anjin-san says:

    Show of hands. How many of you guys would do “Caitlyn?” How many would give her a foot massage? Let’s have the strength of conviction, now.”

    I see quite a few women every day that I have absolutely no interest in having physical contact with, sexual or otherwise.

    Yet they remain women, even without the benefit of my lust…

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